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Dawn: Osama Claims He Has Nukes - Interview 7/11/2001
By Hamid Mir
10/11/2001 8:05 pm Sat
[Transkrip penuh temubual Hamid Mir bersama Osama Bin Laden.
Hamid Mir adalah editor akhbar Ausaf di Pakistan yang berbahasa Urdu.
Yang peliknya kandungan di akhbar Ausaf tidak pula menyebut Osama
mempunyai nukliar secara nyata.
'But, while the English-language newspaper carries a clear message
from Bin Laden that he has access to such weapons, he makes no
such claim in an Urdu-language version of the interview.' (BBC UK)
If US uses N-arms it will get same response
By Hamid Mir
KABUL, Nov 9: Osama bin Laden has said that "we have chemical
and nuclear weapons as a deterrent and if America used them
against us we reserve the right to use them".
He said this in a special interview with Hamid Mir, the editor of
Ausaf, for Dawn and Ausaf, at an undisclosed location near Kabul.
This was the first interview given by Osama to any journalist after
the September 11 attacks in New York and Washington.
The correspondent was taken blindfolded in a jeep from Kabul on
the night of Nov 7 to a place where it was extremely cold and one
could hear the sound of anti-aircraft guns firing away. After a wait
of some time , Osama arrived with about a dozen bodyguards and
Dr Ayman Al-Zuwahiri and answered questions.
Osama bin Laden: The Americans themselves released a list of the
suspects of the Sept 11 attacks, saying that the persons named
were involved in the attacks. They were all Muslims, of whom 15
belonged to Saudi Arabia, two were from the UAE and one from
Egypt. According to the information I have, they were all
passengers.Fateha was held for them in their homes. But America
said they were hijackers.
OBL: This is a major point in jurisprudence. In my view, if an enemy
occupies a Muslim territory and uses common people as human
shield, then it is permitted to attack that enemy. For instance, if
bandits barge into a home and hold a child hostage, then the
child's father can attack the bandits and in that attack even the
child may get hurt.
America and its allies are massacring us in Palestine, Chechenya,
Kashmir and Iraq. The Muslims have the right to attack America in
reprisal. The Islamic Shariat says Muslims should not live in the
land of the infidel for long. The Sept 11 attacks were not targeted at
women and children. The real targets were America's icons of
military and economic power.
The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) was against killing women
and children. When he saw a dead woman during a war, he asked
why was she killed ? If a child is above 13 and wields a weapon
against Muslims, then it is permitted to kill him.
The American people should remember that they pay taxes to their
government, they elect their president, their government
manufactures arms and gives them to Israel and Israel uses them to
massacre Palestinians. The American Congress endorses all
government measures and this proves that the entire America is
responsible for the atrocities perpetrated against Muslims. The
entire America, because they elect the Congress.
I ask the American people to force their government to give up
anti-Muslim policies. The American people had risen against their
government's war in Vietnam. They must do the same today. The
American people should stop the massacre of Muslims by their
Osama bin Laden: Yes! We are carrying on the mission of our Prophet,
Muhammad (peace be upon him). The mission is to spread the word
of God, not to indulge massacring people. We ourselves are the
target of killings, destruction and atrocities. We are only defending
ourselves. This is defensive Jihad. We want to defend our people
and our land. That is why I say that if we don't get security, the
Americans, too would not get security.
This is a simple formula that even an American child can
understand. This is the formula of live and let live.
Osama bin Laden: The fatwa of any official Aalim has no value for me. History is
full of such Ulema who justify Riba, who justify the occupation of
Palestine by the Jews, who justify the presence of American troops
around Harmain Sharifain. These people support the infidels for
their personal gain.The true Ulema support the Jihad against
America. Tell me if Indian forces invaded Pakistan what would you
do? The Israeli forces occupy our land and the American troops
are on our territory. We have no other option but to launch Jihad.
Osama bin Laden: I heard the speech of American President Bush yesterday
(Oct 7). He was scaring the European countries that Osama wanted
to attack with weapons of mass destruction. I wish to declare that if
America used chemical or nuclear weapons against us, then we
may retort with chemical and nuclear weapons. We have the
weapons as deterrent.
Osama bin Laden: Go to the next question.
Hamid Mir: Demonstrations are being held in many European countries
against American attacks on Afghanistan. Thousands of the
protesters were non-Muslims. What is your opinion about those
Osama bin Laden: There are many innocent and good-hearted people in the
West. American media instigates them against Muslims. However,
some good-hearted people are protesting against American attacks
because human nature abhors injustice.
The Muslims were massacred under the UN patronage in Bosnia. I
am ware that some officers of the State Department had resigned in
protest. Many years ago the US ambassador in Egypt had resigned
in protest against the policies of President Jimmy Carter. Nice and
civilized are everywhere. The Jewish lobby has taken America and
the West hostage.
Osama bin Laden: You should put this question to those who have started this
war. We are only defending ourselves.
Osama bin Laden: Only Afghanistan is an Islamic country. Pakistan follows the
English law. I don't consider Saudi Arabia an Islamic country. If the
Americans have charges against me, we too have a charge sheet
Osama bin Laden: The government of Pakistan should have the wishes of the
people in view. It should not have surrendered to the unjustified
demands of America. America does not have solid proof against us.
It just has some surmises. It is unjust to start bombing on the basis
of those surmises.
Osama bin Laden: What has America achieved by attacking Afghanistan ? We
will not leave the Pakistani people and the Pakistani territory at
We will defend Pakistan. But we have been disappointed by Gen
Pervez Musharraf. He says that the majority is with him. I say the
majority is against him.
Bush has used the word crusade. This is a crusade declared by
Bush. It is no wisdom to barter off blood of Afghan brethren to
improve Pakistan's economy. He will be punished by the Pakistani
people and Allah.
Right now a great war of Islamic history is being fought in
Afghanistan. All the big powers are united against Muslims. It is '
sawab ' to participate in this war.
Osama bin Laden: My kidneys are all right. I did not go to Dubai last year. One
British newspaper has published an imaginary interview with
Islamabad dateline with one of my sons who lives in Saudi Arabia.
All this is false.
Osama bin Laden: (Laughs). All my wives are Arabs (and all my daughters are
married to Arab Mujahideen). I have spiritual relationship with Mulla
Omar. He is a great and brave Muslim of this age. He does not fear
anyone but Allah. He is not under any personal relationship or
obligation to me. He is only discharging his religious duty. I, too,
have not chosen this life out of any personal consideration.